Will Obama sit in the Oval Office?
Obama has lied to us about his religion and his citizenship. Now his legal team is blocking efforts to force him to produce his birth certificate. The Governor of Hawaii has locked his alleged birth certificate up and evidence is mounting that Obama was actually born in Kenya, not the United States of America. A Kenyan birth would, according to the constitution, make hm ineligible for the presidency. We can only hope that his web of deceit will unravel before he's sworn in. The only real question is, if Obama's lies are revealed before he's sworn in, who will be President? Bidden, even though he himself hadn't been sworn in as Vice President? Speaker of the House? McCain, as the runner up?
Obama may have been elected, but because he's ineligible we still don't know who will be the next president.
16 comments:
Don't your hands get tired grasping at straws like you, Alexander?
Anticornswalled
Hey Alexander - can you get your head out of your ass and stop dodging questions raised in this following post:
Are you trying to tell people that the most basic tenant of even running for president wouldn't have been checked by anyone? There isn't a form somewhere where Obama has to show proof of his citizenship?
Moreover, given how ridiculous and frivolous this "lawsuit" is, I would be inclined to take Obama's approach and essentially tell you to fuck off. He has better things to do than pander to stupid people, Republican or Democrat.
He has shown proof by filling out whatever forms he needs to fill out in order to run for president. In this process, he has to have his citizenship verified. If you're telling me that your government doesn't even check the accuracy of this, then truly you are a fucked nation. Verification in and of itself should be enough to satisfy you right wing idiots.
Of course, you're all grasping at straws because the American public is tired of YOUR saviours, George Warmonger Bush and Has-Been-McCain. ANd Obama will win.
Can't wait...
Moron,
All those questions have ALREADY been answered, you're just too lazy to go back and read the comment threads you've been spamming.
The party never checked Obama's citizenship because he claimed he was already a citizen. They took his word for it. It was Hillary who uncovered his Muslim past, and after that other Democrats started prodding at his secrets. It was the Democrats who paid attention who told the world about Obama's fraud.
None of the "Whatever forms he needs" (Nice that you know what you're talking about there) require you to provide your birth certificate, just check a box on your status. Obama committed perjury by falsely filing these documents, but lying on paper doesn't magically make it true.
Finally, why doesn't Obama just produce the birth certificate as requested? He'd not only silence this critic but all others claiming he isn't a citizen. Why does his surviving Grandmother insist he was born in Kenya if he was born in Hawaii?
Re Obama being born in Kenya:
If Obama had been born in Kenya, there would be a record of his mother arriving in Kenya in the archives of the Kenya government.
The critics of Obama, who allege that he was born in Kenya, have not shown anything like this. All they would have to do is to go to those files in Kenya and show that Obama’s mother had been in Kenya in 1961. But they have nothing.
I listened to the tape, and it is not clear that Obama's grandmother understood the question. The translator (who is also apparently a relative) says repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. In any case, it is not evidence. She could be referring to Barak Obama senior, Obama’s father, who certainly was born in Kenya.
The officials in Hawaii say he was born in Hawaii. They have seen his birth certificate in his file.
The certificate (or certification, whatever) of live birth has been accepted as legal proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii by a court in Virginia. (Monday. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)
After Berg, several other cases against Obama on the natural born citizen issue were brought in other states.
While most of them just did what the Berg case did, which was to rule that Berg had no standing to sue, some of the others looked at the “evidence” - and concluded that the stuff was absurd.
In Ohio, for example the judge (magistrate) said:
“(Neal) presented no witnesses but himself. From that testimony, it is abundantly clear that the allegations in [Neal]’s complaint concerning “questions” about Senator Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen” are derived from Internet sources, the accuracy of which has not been demonstrated to either Defendant Brunner or this Magistrate … Given the paucity of evidence… this Magistrate cannot conclude that Defendant Brunner has abused her discretion in failing to launch an investigation into Senator Obama’s qualifications to hold the office of President of the United States. ” See:
http://www.oxfordpress.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/10/31/ws103108obamasuit.html
In Virginia, which was just ruled on Monday, the judge went further and said that the certificate of live birth was good proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there was NO proof presented that he was born anywhere else.
Here is a report from a web posting that is not official, of course, but it seems accurate mainly because the fellow who posted it was AGAINST Obama. He is disappointed, but accepts the ruling. You can find this post at : (
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)
(Note that sometimes the author correctly puts COLB correctly and sometimes he types it as CLOB, but he means certificate of live birth throughout.)
Quotes:
The Court made the following findings:
1. The Certification of Live Birth presented to the court is unquestionably authentic.
The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way. Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.
2. The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen.
The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information on the CLOB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the CLOB is valid for all citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.
3. For that reason, 8 U.S.C. §1401(g), which at the relevant time provided as follows:
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ***(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:…..
is irrelevant to this matter, as Mr. Obama was conclusively born in Hawaii.
4. Mr. Obama did hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and Kenya until he became an adult. When Barack Obama Jr. was born Kenya was a British colony. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children: “British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.” In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UK. Obama’s UK citizenship became an Kenyan citizenship on Dec. 12, 1963, when Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. The court noted that Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963…
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
Thus the court held that as a citizen of the UK who was born in Kenya, Obama’s father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UK status at birth and given that Obama’s father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), thus Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship in 1963.
However, the court further held that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya. The court held that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama has ever renounced his U.S. citizenship or sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.
The court held that there was no legal requirement that Mr. Obama renounce his Kenyan citizenship or affirm his U.S. citizenship in order to maintain his status as a natural born citizen.
5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited to the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. The fact that Indonesian law does not allow dual citizenship is irrelevant, as U.S. law controls. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others we reached out to for evidence never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims we could have used some proof of.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship.
The Court makes other holdings and findings that I won’t bother you with here. Needless to say, the decision is wholly against us. The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”
I like the part about “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort.”
Repeat: “The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.”
Re: "why doesn't Obama just produce the birth certificate as requested? He'd not only silence this critic but all others claiming he isn't a citizen."
First, he doesn't have to "produce" his birth certificate. (By the way, what do you mean by produce? Show it to you personally? Publish a copy of it on line? If the latter, there will be those who say that it is not authentic - simply because they can't see it very well.)
So, what does "produce" mean? It means that if a court asks to see it, he will of course show it.
But so far no court has asked to see it. Why not? Because the other document, the certification of real birth, is valid evidence that the birth certificate exists. The court does not ask to see the document because it has documentary proof that it exists.
That is what the court in Virginia did (see above), and most likely that is going to be good enough for any judge or for Justice Souter. But if not, then all that Obama has to do is show the document in the file. When asked, he will do it.
We can be absolutely certain that there is a birth certificate in the file because that is what the certification means. It is like a bank book, which is proof that you have money in the bank. You do not actually have to see the money.
Re: "Why does his surviving Grandmother insist he was born in Kenya if he was born in Hawaii?"
First, she is not testifying under oath. Someone called her on the telephone, the question was translated, she answered she was present. But it is not evidence and it is not even clear that she understood the question. She could, of course, be thinking of Barak Obama the first (now dead) who WAS born in Kenya. So it is far from clear that she understood the question.
But, of course, this is not evidence, and the certification of live birth is evidence.
If Obama really was born in Kenya, there would be an official record in the files of the Kenyan government showing that Obama's mother arrived in Kenya some time in 1961. Why have not the critics of Obama's Hawaii birth produced this document?
So, there is very little chance of getting what you want.
You know, IF you really believe that it will be shown that Obama was born in Kenya, you should be willing to bet on that. Are you? Are you offering odds?
Your entire argument hinges upon the belief that a forged COLB is in fact genuine, a COLB that, despite one man swearing it is genuine, has been shown to be inconsistent with the COLBs actually used in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth.
And you spun that comical claim, and the fooling of one judge, out to how many pages?
Can I point out my dear Alexander that your boy, McCain was born in Panama...
Jason the Fucktard,
The questions have NOT been answered. I reread every thread and every blog entry on this laughab;e site. Yes, my IQ has dropped considerably after doing so, but that's besides the point.
They took his WORD for it? You have GOT to be kidding me!!! Most politicians are LAWYERS, you douchebag, and know very well to get everything IN WRITING and have PROOF! They know the law, they understand the law. So if the Dems are encouraging Obama to run for office, they would have checked everything out to AVOID THIS BULLSHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Your little jibe about " (Nice that you know what you're talking about there)" - for your information, I am NOT an American. Look out your window, fuckface - there's a world beyond your Land of the Free (unless you're a liberal - then you can go to hell, right?) You claim to be the greatest nation in the world and yet you don't ask for proof of citizenship when running for the highest office in your country? Way to go, USA!
Furthermore, you little fuck, I am not SPAMMING anything. Had you checked my profile you would have seen the link to my own blog. You'd see that Alexander the Little Jesus and I go way back. Alexander is famous for writing bullshit online and causing chaos, yet running away when people ask him tough (or even easy) questions. He enjoys mock and ridicule, but can't take it when someone does it to him. Check out his blogs on the Mideast chess set and graffiti to the creationist museum for a good laugh.
Based on your naive responses, and the fact that you haven't had a lot of world experience (that Obama photo WAS racist and you know it, you dipshit) I am going to guess you are about 17 or 18 and aren't worth anymore of my time.
Perhaps if Mr. Cornswalled had a set of BALLS and tried to use them, he wouldn't need a pissant little fuck (probably from his backwoods church) to fight his battles for him.
Anticornswalled
That huge cut'n'paste from a previous commenter knocked me out!
And to the responder (or 2 or 3) that felt fit to include the entire cut'n'paste in their comment, f you.
That is right, f you. F all of you poorly educated Great Satan morans[sic]?
F you.
How accurate/detailed/tracked were travel logs back then?
It might be as simple as going back to the year of Barry's birth and determining what place(s) his mother had traveled to at the time.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
judge ye not lest ye be judged and love thy neighbor as thy self.
Aroundst my corner of the woods, the expression is "Judge not, yeast ye be judged".
I think involving biochemistry makes sense, at least in this circumstance.
Peace out!
Travel logs??? In Kenya? This is a third world country we're talking about here. They might not have even had a functioning government when Obama was born. They're one of the countries whose government collapses in a bloody revolution periodically. Good luck finding immigration records from the 1980’s, let alone from the time of Obama’s birth.
@cornswalled,
But all we'd have to look at is if Obama's mother's departed the US at the time of his birth. I'm sure the country would have record of that.
erm, guys, Kenya only won it's independence from the UK in 1963, so, up untill then all records were kept by them, so I am sure they will be more accurate than any in the US, and they don't say Obamawas born in Kenya
I heard the collective wail from the religious right wing fundies a few minutes ago.
We have a new president - one you DON'T want.
Ha ha ha. Time to deal with it, fucknuts!
Now let's see if he gets down to REPRESSING your outdated religious fairy tales so our society can progress, instead of living in the dark ages!
Hee hee hee! I scream with glee!
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